Comment by cristotrading on December 21, 2012 at 6:19pm

that is no the cause. its america's gun culture (with people holding up to 10 or more weapons in household) that leads to these outbursts. his mom had guns in the house what good did that do? Cheney shut someone in the face if i remember while hunting for fun like an idiot. pressure from republicans to slash spending from school programs and not wanting to let go of outrageous defense budget. however we twist i,t gun control is coming as a normal process in a civilized society and we cannot and hope we dont escape it! 

Comment by cristotrading on December 21, 2012 at 6:25pm

oh and one more thing, just because is in the constitution does not mean is set on stone..see slavery, woman right to vote, prohibition and so on. smart people adjust and change with the evolution!

Comment by Lisa on December 21, 2012 at 6:41pm

Uneducated comes to mind again :

MLK was a Republican says a black American group and this is the most interesting in their message:

“And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism.”

Comment by Lisa on December 21, 2012 at 6:46pm

Abraham Lincoln was Republican ...

Comment by cristotrading on December 21, 2012 at 6:47pm

i guess so, thats why Obama won twice and la la land republican party with their Bubble heads leaders is where it is. have a great weekend everyone, apologize for rants but hopefully i came across with my points! 

Comment by Lisa on December 21, 2012 at 6:52pm

He won twice because those that get their information from the main stream media alone are

completely and utterly uneducated.

We speak of sheep often in the capitalistic trading world ...

how do so many traders fall victim to the sheep mentality ~ baffling (?) 

At least you*all have your Obamaphones ~ take comfort in that. 

Comment by Peter jcp on December 22, 2012 at 1:48am

We also have some silly outlandish old rules from our past in the UK. For example if you are given the "freedomship" of one our many cities for doing good work etc  - you are then allowed to walk your sheep through the main streets. Yes this would have been very handy a few hundred years ago but is totally out of context today.

The World changes and in this last 50 -100 yrs its evolved more than in the past 500 years,

The US second amendment is just so out of date - its no longer relevant. Just like the Magna Carta from the 13th Century for the UK - that's why you adapt and change.

If you are burgled at home in the UK the chance of that thief or attacker having a gun is like 1 in a 1000. If you can get burgled in the US the thief is probably 80% certain to have a gun on him,

The government and the Police protect our houses and schools etc - by banning guns and not allowing 80% of normal citizens to have them. That is proper protection - ie take away the main problem - the gun. 

If you are caught in the UK with a a gun and no proper permit etc - you could go to jail for up to 5 years. Personally I would go further and say - right we dont need guns any one caught with one faces the death sentence etc - ie Zero Tolerence -  its worked on so many other things in the US - do it on guns.

Every argument put forward by the NRA is easily dismissed and proven elsewhere around the world. No other civilised countries have the problems the US have - ie approx 40 people a year out of 60 million die from gun wounds every year in the UK - compared to 15-30,000 in the US with less than five times more people. That proves the correlation - the more guns in society - the more murders.

This is exactly like other comparisons - ie people who smoke heavily or drink the same or eat just junk food - will die 10-30 yrs before healthy people. Similar the more cars per square mile etc - the more road accidents - the more guns out there - the more people shot.

The real fact are distorted by lobbyists Lisa - this need to protect your home or children with a gun - is just like saying we are living in an unsafe war zone - and are people are not civilised.

I dont know any of my friends and other people I know who own a gun - except 2 farmers who are allowed rifles.. I never have to worry that I will have my house broken into and be held to ransom with a gun - its just such a rare event and most thieves even suffer extra jail sentences carrying fake toy guns or knives.

I therefore guard my house with a baseball/ cricket bat and a panic alarm ( and basil) - No AK47's or machine guns or tanks are needed.;-))

America is a great country - but my - there are so many old fashioned "stuck in the mud" old timers who really cannot see the wood for the trees. They really don't know how other modern civilised countries are living - and just think their way is the best - because they have grown up with it.

Finally every time you post a link or anything connected with over 50 yrs ago Lisa - just proves my point - ie the past - and if you are so keen to live with it - get rid of your auto / mobile phone/ internet / electric / air conditioning / fridge / debit cards / camera's etc etc - and go back to the good old days  - and enjoy ;-))

Have a great weekend 

Regards 

Peter

Comment by cristotrading on December 22, 2012 at 2:17am

:)

Comment by Keith Shaw on December 22, 2012 at 11:20am

Interesting info graphic from the New York Times :

On Guns, America Stands Out : Direct Link Here

Regards

Keith

Comment by Peter jcp on December 22, 2012 at 12:58pm

Interesting info Keith - and I think that backs up your comments and point Cristo - the NRA are a disgrace and are really living in another world - separate to the real one we want to live in ;-)

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