First of all I would like to thank all FX Street members who participated in the "Brief Trading Survey" I put out approximately 2 months ago. I have taken the information you gave me and combined with studies carried out by large Brokers such as FXCM and Oanda along with other independent bodies including some reports supplied by FX Street.
I would like to say that statistics can be used to show near enough anything - depending how you want to "slant them " etc. I have always though that with the Forex Market being unregulated - all the information we are told - might not be all the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" if you know what I mean ;-)
In fact when you start to correlate many of the figures on Industry size and numbers etc etc - they just do not add up. That's maybe because not everyone has to respond or reveal all their info.
Today in the UK we are hearing all the problems in the banking world with manipulation and now money laundering with HSBC receiving a massive fine. In fact many have said that the banks have been propped up in these last 10 years by all the "drug money" and illegal transactions - that have provided important cash-flow. Amazing!!!
Anyway - back to the results. The main conclusions from my findings on why retail traders do not make money on a regular basis is simply down to the fact that their losses add up to more than their wins. - ie most traders are not achieving RRR ( risk to reward ratios) of over 1 on a regular basis.
For example - you can have scalper using a robot who does not realize that even with a 90% success ratio - you can still lose money. ie 100 trades 90 wins at 5 pips + 450 pips - 10 losses at 60 pips = 600 pips - result - 150 pip loss.
For Intraday traders the majority try and use stops under 50 pips and targets over 70 pips+. Sound good - but as soon as you see a few wins at only 36 pips and 48 pips and 71 pips etc - you then start to add up that there real average wins are only 44 pips - but there stops are 50 pips. You then find out that they then move some of their stops and have actually had losses of 75 pips on some trades.
FXCM carried out surveys on over 2 million trades and there results showed the following -
This graph shows the average stops and wins on most pairs with then a common average - ie a win of 52 pips and a loss of 94 pips. They did find most traders can be more than 50% accurate on choosing the correct direction for their trade
The traders who answered my survey seem to be more switched on. They appreciate RR ratios and also understand how to adjust to their targets etc.
According to various sources - 49% of traders are intraday
26% of traders are swing ( targets over 100 pips )
17% of traders scalp
8% of traders are long term / position ( targets over 400 pips)
25% of all trader hedge in some way and 48% of traders use some type of trailing stop.
The "industry" as been really good at not explaining the really important information to potential traders.
It is accepted as the "norm" that you cannot trade "noise" ie under say 20 pips or according to some trainers under 50 pips - so just ignore and allow for the "noise" in your stop size.( lol)
The industry fails to explain "trading efficiency" correctly but cleverly informs all - not to trade too often - ie less is more . The idea is too set up a "slow death" rather than within 3 months knowing all the stats you need to know. The Industry knows if it can keep your attention span for longer than 6 months - you will open up another account or add more and the wins you have been having will fuel more - until that "fatal day" - which for approx 20% of traders never happens
I just cannot find enough information on full time retail Forex traders. Do many exist ? yes I am one - but are their hundreds of thousands or just tens of thousand world wide ?
From what I can see - unless its just an hobby or a part time leisure activity - you have got to find an "edge" to be able to stay in this "game" and make monies. The potential best traders profiles are not what you may envisage and so i will not print them . Like in all walks of life - there will be exceptions to the rule.
I will be interested to here from members here who will admit that their own stats are not keeping to their own expectations - and what plans they may have to get back on track?
If you have to decrease your wins sizes - you need to do the same on your stops. You do need trades with RR's of 2 and 3+ - are you getting them ?
Good Trading
Regards
Peter
Comment by Jim Mathis on July 17, 2012 at 11:33pm Thats some eye opening information Peter thanks for the effort. I am so happy so say days of eating 50 pip losses are far behind me. That graph was shocking over 100 pip avg loss on eu pair eek!
Comment by Peter jcp on July 18, 2012 at 7:33pm Thanks Sir G and Hi Jim - yes I was surprised on some of the stats that are about - I will say I take everything I read about the Forex Industry with "caution". If brokers are saying the average retail accounts are under $5k - then for 100 pip stops based on 2% you are looking at like $1 per pip - ie a tenth of a lot. So the idea of winning 15 pips is just not appealing - and therefore for many is dismissed as "noise" and irrelevant and not targeted. However lots of 15 pips moves happen every day and even every hour in busy sessions.
Traders with larger accounts - ie over $50k are able to say - I will target a 15 pips trade and no I don't need a 100 pip stop . In fact I should need less than 20 pips and if I am good less than 10 pips - meaning my 2% risk on $50k account with 10 pip stop is now $100 ( In US you would be limited with lower leverage and tighter rules - so lets say only $50 per pip )
Result a 15 pip trade makes you $750 - not a bad hour or so work ?
Conclusion - forget your 100 pip stops and 150-200 pip targets - if you serious - get to the level of the ForeXmospherians etc - find the capital - and then although you will still want your 200 pip trades - 15 pips trades in between are so appealing and can still help pay your bills ;-)
Great to hear you are progressing well Jim - keep it up!
Regards
Peter
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