Banks are seeing a steep decline in profits from currency trading, as once-lucrative businesses are eroded by the rise of electronic trading and the proliferation of new platforms...
As the easy profits from handling trades for clients vanish, banks are being forced into an arms race, analysts and traders say. That means offering better terms to customers and spending heavily to develop electronic-trading platforms of their own...
***Note how it talks about the easy profits for banks, which has always been getting the spread which is a no-risk business, as opposed to trading which carries a much greater risk
BarclaysPLC (one of the institutions I trade with) partly blamed a slump in foreign-exchange trading for a 19.8% drop in revenue at its fixed-income, commodities and currencies division in the third quarter....
The biggest hit to profits comes from the narrowing gap between bid and offer prices in the foreign-exchange marketplace. Banks quote two prices for currencies: the rate at which they are offering to buy, and another, typically higher, rate at which they will sell. But with increased competition and prices from multiple sources streaming across clients' computer screens, banks have been forced to reduce that bid-offer margin...
***This will continue - tis inevitable
According to Euromoney, the top three—Deutsche Bank, Citigroup and Barclays—controlled 39.5% of volumes in 2011. It was the first time the three biggest players increased their collective share since 2007.
***Key point is the industry was not consolidating in control of volume from 2007 - 2010. Only in 2011 did we see more consolidation...
full article here
Comment by 2ndSkiesForex on November 28, 2012 at 3:03pm And cue the response from Peter in 5...4...3...2...
Comment by Peter jcp on November 28, 2012 at 3:05pm Lol - got to get my scalps in first - but as you guess - I liked the article ;-))
Comment by 2ndSkiesForex on November 28, 2012 at 3:14pm I hear ya, been 'scalping' Dow Jones, Gold and GBJPY. Hope (although I'm pretty confident) you are getting along just fine.
But I am shocked...shocked you liked the article ;-)
Good hunting amigo
Comment by Peter jcp on November 28, 2012 at 4:53pm Hi again Chris - Yes I hope you caught a few nice moves during this session. With regards to the Banks and large Institutions - I suppose I am a bit anti to them after my own experiences of 2008 /9 when I lost a considerable amount of funds from both my business investments and pension fund( not through my own currency trading).
I personally thought they certainly made "large" when the sun shone - lending out money "willy nilly" to all and sundry ( like lending out umbrella's) and then when things got bad ( when it was raining) they wanted it all back - and would wreck peoples lives and businesses to achieve their own goals.
So now I am pleased they have suffered from more competition etc - and although I know they are so important for the markets - they need putting in place - and clearly the regulators have failed in the past.
My most "unfavourite" group is that lovely organisation known as Goldman Sachs and i just hope one day they get taught a very big lesson - by the rest of their colleagues ;-))
My other comment on them though is that I just cannot believe what is said in the "banking world". HFT as been extremely profitable for the larger players - (up to now) and I would have thought that was the larger Banks not other new entrants?
They really do talk and act with "forked tongues" as shown in the Libor scandel and so for me i want them to realise they have had it their won way for far too long ;-)
Rant over ;-))
Cheers
Regards
Peter
Comment by 2ndSkiesForex on November 28, 2012 at 5:03pm Hola Peter,
I have to agree with you the banks made out, and investors like yourself did not, which is really a shame and I think unjust for sure. And the fact they wanted it back, that they thought themselves such an important part of our economy and society just shows their level of delusion and self-importance.
I also agree they need some 're-adjustment' about what their real value is, and hopefully both competition and regulators can work to achieve thus.
As for HFT, sure, they made money, but those revenues have been declining year after year since 2007/09. At the peak they made $4.5B and now its about $1.2B - a considerable decline, partially because the fees are huge now (exchange feeds), but also HFTs are now cannibalizing off each other, and having to compete against each other, so it is definitely not as profitable as it once was. That is why they are making their way further into FX because the other parties are dying down.
Overall though, I'm with you on this one.
Kind Regards,
Chris
Comment by 2ndSkiesForex on November 29, 2012 at 2:08pm Along those lines Peter....BOE going after some UK Banks
http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578148...
Will be interesting to see what comes of this
And how the BOE will manage the FSA now that its folding it.
Comment by Peter jcp on November 29, 2012 at 8:55pm Hi Chris - yes - with what happened in the UK with Barclays Bank and the Libor rate scandal along with 3 other main UK banks surely means they need to be placed under the "spotlight" ;-)
Looking forward to what might come out of all of this
Regards
Peter
Comment by 2ndSkiesForex on November 29, 2012 at 9:01pm Agreed - although not just banks in the UK, in the US and Japan which were also co-party to the Lie-bor.
I would like to see something come out of this - other than the usual small fine and things continuing as usual.
Kind Regards,
Chris
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